SF Cyclotouring

Ride reports and other ramblings from a San Francisco cyclist.

11/24/2007

650B, Is It For Me?

R(650)B-1 at Big Rock, side view

Background

I've been curious about the 650B wheel size since first learning about it via the iBOB and Kogswell email lists. My initial impression was that a 650B conversion done on an old tight-wheel-clearance racing frame was a neat way to repurpose the bike by giving it clearance for wider tires and fenders which it otherwise lacked. Many folks have offered the opinion that the 650B wheel size represents a "holy grail" of sorts, combining the best attributes from 700C "road" wheels and 26-inch "MTB" wheels. Several 650B-specific models of new bicycles have come on the market in the past couple of years, along with many framebuilders taking orders for custom frames spec'd for the 650B wheel size. I finally decided that enough was enough and -- wanting to see what all the fuss was about for myself -- I recently converted my 1993 Bridgestone RB-1/7 from 700C to 650B. I swapped the original 700C wheels and 23mm Continental tires for a 650B wheelset comprised of Velocity Synergy rims, Shimano 105 hubs, and Rivendell's Nifty Swifty tires. The original Suntour Superbe Pro short-reach brakes were replaced with Rivendell's Silver super-long-reach brake (re-badged Tektro R556 with upgraded KoolStop brake pads). I changed the SKS P35 fenders for a set of wider P45 mudguards. Today I spent 75 miles on the bike, and these are my impressions.

Tires

The 650B tires used in this conversion measure approximately 33mm in width and leave about 3/16-inch of clearance at the RB-1's chainstays. Wider 650B tires exist, but chainstay clearance would be an issue with this frame. This in itself is interesting, since the limiting factor for wider 700C tires with this frame was brake-arch clearance, yet with 650B wheels it is chainstay clearance. In fact, despite installing fenders, there is still excess clearance under both brake arches, implying that taller tires could be fitted (if such a thing existed). The road manners of these tires reminded me very much of a set of 26-inch mountain bike road slicks I've used in the past: Performance Bicycle's Forté City ST MTB tire. The tires don't seem excessively heavy and I didn't notice any large differences in acceleration or rolling resistance between these and the previous 700C Continentals. As expected, road bumps and irregularities were better absorbed with the wider tire. Trackstanding was perhaps slightly more difficult with the wider 650B tires due to the increased pneumatic trail. Overall, the experience of riding a wider tire on the road felt similar to riding my cyclocross bike with its 700x35 hybrid-type tires on pavement -- bump absorption and ride qualities were comparable. I should also mention that neither before nor after the 650B conversion was foot/fender interference (TCO) an issue.

Brakes

The Silver brakes were easy to install and set up. Although I didn't toe the brake pads, no squealing was evident. As others have written, these brakes do seem to flex more than the stock calipers, presumably due to their increased caliper-arm length. Confidence in stopping power is somewhat diminished as a result. The special quick-release mechanism employed on these brakes does allow them to open up enough to facilitate removal of wheels fitted with wide tires.

Handling

The handling qualities of the RB-1 weren't significantly affected by the change in wheel size. Generally speaking, the bike rides the same with 650B wheels as with 700C. The effort required to ride no-handed wasn't significantly changed. With 700C wheels, a full Banana Bag strapped to the handlebars of this bike tended to produce a front-end shimmy at moderate speeds (10-12mph); this was unchanged with 650B wheels as well. Although the BB height dropped by a full centimeter (268mm down to 258mm), the bike's new lower center of gravity was undetectable. Two negative characteristics were introduced: First, the bike felt a bit less stable overall during the first few miles, although this sensation diminished notably during the course of the ride. Second, the bike seemed to want to "turn in" during fast sweeping descending curves -- before the conversion, the bike was less willing to turn, requiring great concentration to maintain a line through a curve; with 650B wheels the bike seemed to want to "fall in" to the curve, requiring focus to keep it from doing so.

Conclusions

I'll admit I've been skeptical of the whole 650B phenomenon. Several people have opined that 650B wheels/tires offer some sort of magical carpet ride, yet I've maintained that good quality, wider tires should offer less rolling resistance and (obviously) a smoother ride (than skinny 700C tires) regardless of their diameter (within limits of course). My experiences with my own 650B bike reinforce this argument, with ride qualities -- at least in the "plump equals smooth" department -- reminiscent of both 26-inch and 700C bikes I've ridden with similar-width tires. Converting this bike offered no mystical revelations for me; the sole pragmatic advantage is that I can now fit wide tires and fenders, the benefits of which are immediately explicit. Would I perform this conversion again? Probably not. The money that I spent on replacement wheels, tires, and brakes equals the cost of a quality used frameset and also approaches the cost of a budget new frame -- in other words, I could've just as easily purchased a different frameset with improved clearance for wide 700C tires. Also, as I mentioned my RB-1 now sits a centimeter lower -- this means that I could actually move up to the next size frame since the standover height has been decreased. In other words, if I was going to 650Bify a bike, it would've been better to start out with a frame that was slightly too tall so that the resulting bike ends up properly sized, post-conversion. That said, I'm going to leave my RB-1 in 650B-mode for the time being...those wide tires come in handy for the potholes, ruts, grooves, and streetcar tracks in the city streets I've got to traverse to get to the good riding in the country!

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11/23/2007

Oh yes I did!


front brake and fender
Originally uploaded by jimgskoop
Just finished (finally!) converting the ol' RB-1 to 650B...gonna try this thing out and see if/how I like it. I definitely like the looks of these bikes with the stout tires, but I still gotta see if I like the ride...that'll come tomorrow, stay tuned for an update! FWIW, the BB is about 1cm lower than before, the BB height changed from 268mm to 258mm.

Full set of conversion photos here.

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11/09/2007

650Bitch

I've recently written about how I've acquired a 650B wheelset to convert my RB-1 to this old/new-fangled wheelsize so I can see what all the fuss is about. I bought the wheels used, supposedly with only a few hundred miles on them, and the fact that there's nearly zero brake-pad markings on the rim sidewalls backs that up.

But DAMN these wheels were in sorry shape! I've spent some time over the past week re-tensioning and re-truing them because the spoke tensions were horribly unbalanced and too low, overall. I borrowed a friend's Park TM-1 spoke tension meter* so I knew exactly how tight I was making the spokes.

The wheels have "QBP Wheelhouse" decals on them, and I must say that whoever built them was apparently drunk. The front wheel is laced with 2.0 straight-guage spokes while the rear has 2.0/1.8 butted spokes. The spokes are DT, but are fastened with an apparent mix of DT's stubby nipples, random standard nipples, and a few longer ones as well. I swear there's a nipple in there to suit anyone's tastes! I don't know if all the spokes are of a uniform length and the builder just used whatever nipples were within reach, or if some of the spokes have been replaced, or what, but it's a crap job. IF these wheels came like this new from QBP, I'd've sent them back!

None of this is that huge of a deal -- everything's usable/fixable, and I still feel that I got a pretty good deal on these wheels. It just meant a delay in my 650B project since I'd been expecting that I could use these wheels immediately. I've still got to repack/readjust the wheel bearings and swap the cassette over from the current rear hub before I can mount these wheels to the bike, and then I've got to swap out the brakes. Hopefully I'll be able to get to that this weekend.

...and hopefully after all that work, I'll actually like this 650B thing! Who knows?!?

Caveat emptor, as always, I guess!



* I should add that it's been somewhat of a trip using the TM-1. My lender friend warned me that I'd be tempted to check all my wheels with it, and that I should resist that temptation. Of course I didn't, and I now know that virtually none of my wheels are at the "right" tension, even those built by very reputable builders! More significantly, I've always tensioned wheels by pitch, and poo-poo'd those who've argued against that technique. Now I know that, while pitch can be used as a rough guide, it is definitely NOT an accurate way to detect spoke tension, especially if comparing spokes of different thicknesses!

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10/10/2007

650B Cometh!

According to UPS Tracking, my new-to-me 650B wheelset is scheduled for delivery sometime today. That means I should be able to join this club this weekend!

It's all part of my new Master Plan: Experience It for Yourself! I've grown weary reading about what people think of 650B wheels, low-trail geometry, and a bunch of other issues on the usual-suspects bikey forums; listening to the various arguments and wondering who's right. I've decided that the best way to find out is to form my own opinion based on my own unique experience -- and the only way to accomplish that is just to pony up, buy the stuff, and put some miles on it!

So -- at the risk of accumulating Still More Bike Junk and pissing off my wife -- I'm buying Yet Another Wheelset and (as a separate experiment) Just One More Bike Frame (a Kogswell P/R to check out this low-trail thing) and find out whether I like it or not. It's an educational investment, if you will. Whatever I don't like will get resold and passed on, whatever works well will stick, and hopefully in the process I'll learn a thing or two and I'll also be able to streamline the bike-fleet somewhat.

The results will get posted here.

UPDATE: The wheels have arrived (at my wife's work)! Picking them up tonight hopefully! Velocity Synergy rims (offset rear) laced 32x to 105 8/9spd hubs, shod with Nifty Swifty tires. Brakes will be Riv's Silver (rebadged Tektro R556).

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9/10/2007

Nutted pivot bolts for Tektro R556/Riv Silver Brakes!

I'm posting this here as a bookmark of sorts.

Over on the 650B list, Ryan W. reported that you can buy a cheap Tektro 800 brake that's designed for nutted mounting, and swap out the center pivot bolt into a Tektro R556/Riv Silver brake that's normally recessed mount. This is a good way to get great brakes for that 650B conversion you've been stumped on because it needs nutted-mount brakes.

Tektro 800 brake at BikeToolsEtc.com

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9/04/2007

Argh Six Fifty Bee One!

I've previously written that while I really enjoy riding my 1993 Bridgestone RB-1/7, it's not the world's most practical bike since -- though it accepts larger tires than is fashionable by today's norms (in the 700x28 ballpark) -- said tires AND fenders are mutually-exclusive, unfortunately. If Only...

Well, these days, the 650B wheel size gets us our tasty cake and lets us enjoy it too. (Preferably with a tall cool glass of chocolate milk, but I digress...) Check out some of these hot-rodded bikes that just make me, well, drool like Mr. Simpson over a donut. Or a Duff's beer. Or for that matter, both at the same time!

d. greeblatts rb-1Check out D. Greenblatt's sweet conversion, a 1994 RB-1 that's been revamped from retro-racer to stately country tourer. Those wide stainless fenders and the elegant rear rack don't look out of place at all on this former racing machine. Amazing!




Here's Sarah Gibson's sporty yellow 1993 RB-1/8. Like the first bike, it too features moustache bars. The absence of a rear rack and the lower handlebar position lend this bike a sporty feel; it seems capable of nearly anything. At first glance I thought it was a repainted XO-1!




[Can't link to photo, dunno why...?] Liza's 1994 RB-1 has been given new life as an all-purpose bike, quoting from the linked page...

The RB-1 was a race bike: built with standard gauge/diameter tubing, a more "lively" geometry, and room (just barely) for 700 x 28 tires w/out fenders. Liza used to ride this bike as a go-fast speedy bike, and really loved it. But the fact that she couldn't ride it with a skirt and she couldn't ride it around town in the rain, and she couldn't take it out on dirt roads all piled up to make a bike that was fun, but not too practical.







BS650_right_side
Originally uploaded by blovejoy.


Last but not least is an RB-1 forerunner... Bill L.'s six-fifty-bee converted Bridgestone 700 originally started life as a skinny-tired sport bike, now it's a great all-purpose adventure vehicle.




I'm really infatuated by these bikes, they are great examples of "make what you've got work" thinking, and someday I plan to follow suit by converting my bike to 650B, too!

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